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:For discussing a specific main page, please see ''[[Talk:Categorized_Main_Page|Short view]] ([[Talk:Categorized_Main_Page/archive|archive]])'', or ''[[Talk:Expanded_Main_Page|Expanded view]]''
:''An archive of this talk page exists at [[Talk:Main_Page/archive]]''
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== os dev image ==


== Expanded main page up front ==
do you thing we should change welcome to osdev.org to a image? --[[User:Stinkfly|Stinkfly]] 04:10, 24 August 2007 (CDT)


Suggestions have been recently (and in the past) made to make the [[Expanded Main Page]] the default welcome page. I've updated the expanded page with some of the more recent additions, and made a copy of the current main page at [[Categorized Main Page]]. Most of the reasons can be found [http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=175469#p175469 here]. Opinions and comments wanted, since this is the main page three votes will not really suffice. - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 19:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I personally don't think so. Any particular reason why it should be? All I see is a tonne of images not loading for some people, added bandwidth (quite a few forum members are still on dialup), etc. Of course, I welcome the argument against me. [[User:Yayyak|Yayyak]] 06:39, 24 August 2007 (CDT)


* '''Pro''' - I voiced my reasons in the linked thread already. -- [[User:Solar|Solar]] 09:36, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. There is as far as I can see no reason that the text box is not suitable, and the overhead of having an image is larger and less supported. - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 04:38, 25 August 2007 (CDT)
:: Just thought! I could make a mediawiki theme for osdev.org with not many images --[[User:Stinkfly|Stinkfly]] 13:22, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
:::If you read the previous replies, you should have noticed a preference for an ''absence'' of images. - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 04:03, 24 September 2007 (CDT)


* '''Yea''' - I find myself getting annoyed when I have to click through to the expanded page to find the information I'm looking for. The generic main page wasn't really useful at all. --[[User:Lithorien|Lithorien]] 10:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
== Combine the header templates into one? ==


* '''Agreed''' - The short view is good, but the referenced pages show too little of what the entire wiki has to offer. I vote for the expanded main page.--[[User:Creature|Creature]] 14:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I had the thought of combining the three templates for the header into one (or use one that just includes the other three) so it's easier to edit and add the header templates. Just shaves a few steps off the time needed to play with the templates. --[[User:Troy martin|Troy Martin]] 02:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


* '''Sure''' - Why not, there is no sense hiding anything. --[[User:Brynet-inc|Brynet-Inc]] 18:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
: Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe it would also be a good idea to put a link to the [[Chat|IRC Channel chat page]] on the main page, to make people notice it. I didn't even know we had one until I looked at the orphaned page list! --[[User:Creature|Creature]] 16:33, 28 August 2009 (GMT + 1)


* '''Yes''' - It's been ages after I came to this site until I noticed there was an expanded main page.--[[User:Love4boobies|Love4boobies]] 21:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
== languages ==

Should Haskell, D, C--, and C# be listed on the main page? IMO the list of languages is getting long. They're not the languages used for kernel, let alone systems, programming besides by a small minority. --[[User:Messiahandrw|MessiahAndrw]] 03:59, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
* I just put them there for the sake of being complete (as there weren't too many anyhow), but I agree it's a bit crowded and long. We could stick to only putting the main languages on the main page (ASM, C, C++). --[[User:Creature|Creature]] 10:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
"Thee votes will not really suffice" - well, we got five. ;-) Do we pick up the discussion again (seing how the linked thread derailed and was closed), or do we consider this 5-to-null vote to be sufficient? (I'm itching to get working on the Wiki, and this *is* the starting point.) -- [[User:Solar|Solar]] 08:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well it's not unanimous but 5 vs 1 (see heading below), but that is still about as much as you'd normally see on a wiki vote. Will perform the update later today when I've ran out of appointments ;) - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 12:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::And... updated - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 16:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's a bit annoying that it shows "(Redirected from Main Page)" - I couldn't see a "move" link. Perhaps making a copy called Main_page and deleting this one will do the trick? --[[User:Love4boobies|Love4boobies]] 19:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The main pages have the protect flag on to prevent erroneous edits (edit the templates instead). - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 08:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info needed ==

The main reason I like the short form is that it's short. I'm just looking for an entrypoint to the wiki, and I don't need 3 screenfuls of info. On the other hand, the short page AFAIK is entirely formatted via a template. I have no idea how to even edit that template. So (at least the last time I thought about doing it) the short main page is basically uneditable to the uninitiated. Which is probably one reason why it is not rationally organized, and does not really represent what's in the wiki, currently. Especially the OS Theory block.<BR>
In some sense, it's a good thing to discourage tinkering at the topmost level of the wiki by novices. But it makes the main page ''severely'' out of date.<BR>
So the main question in my mind is -- is the expanded view any better? Is it still a template and not a normal page? And since it's so expanded, why not have a "Categories" section in it, that gives direct access to the Category system, and thus incorporates the functionality of the short view? [[User:Bewing|Bewing]] 14:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<BR>
:The many ''"more..."'' links cover the category tree very well. It is still based around templates for redundancy reasons. You can find the relevant templates much easier than for the current main page, as they're all named as [http://wiki.osdev.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=Main2&namespace=10 Template:Main2/(...)] (If you have the name, you can find [http://wiki.osdev.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 the category templates] for the current main page). I can try to categorize the main page templates for easier locating if that's what you want. - [[User:Combuster|Combuster]] 18:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 08:51, 25 May 2010

For discussing a specific main page, please see Short view (archive), or Expanded view


Expanded main page up front

Suggestions have been recently (and in the past) made to make the Expanded Main Page the default welcome page. I've updated the expanded page with some of the more recent additions, and made a copy of the current main page at Categorized Main Page. Most of the reasons can be found here. Opinions and comments wanted, since this is the main page three votes will not really suffice. - Combuster 19:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

  • Yea - I find myself getting annoyed when I have to click through to the expanded page to find the information I'm looking for. The generic main page wasn't really useful at all. --Lithorien 10:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

"Thee votes will not really suffice" - well, we got five. ;-) Do we pick up the discussion again (seing how the linked thread derailed and was closed), or do we consider this 5-to-null vote to be sufficient? (I'm itching to get working on the Wiki, and this *is* the starting point.) -- Solar 08:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)Reply

Well it's not unanimous but 5 vs 1 (see heading below), but that is still about as much as you'd normally see on a wiki vote. Will perform the update later today when I've ran out of appointments ;) - Combuster 12:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)Reply
And... updated - Combuster 16:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)Reply
It's a bit annoying that it shows "(Redirected from Main Page)" - I couldn't see a "move" link. Perhaps making a copy called Main_page and deleting this one will do the trick? --Love4boobies 19:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)Reply
The main pages have the protect flag on to prevent erroneous edits (edit the templates instead). - Combuster 08:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)Reply

More info needed

The main reason I like the short form is that it's short. I'm just looking for an entrypoint to the wiki, and I don't need 3 screenfuls of info. On the other hand, the short page AFAIK is entirely formatted via a template. I have no idea how to even edit that template. So (at least the last time I thought about doing it) the short main page is basically uneditable to the uninitiated. Which is probably one reason why it is not rationally organized, and does not really represent what's in the wiki, currently. Especially the OS Theory block.
In some sense, it's a good thing to discourage tinkering at the topmost level of the wiki by novices. But it makes the main page severely out of date.
So the main question in my mind is -- is the expanded view any better? Is it still a template and not a normal page? And since it's so expanded, why not have a "Categories" section in it, that gives direct access to the Category system, and thus incorporates the functionality of the short view? Bewing 14:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

The many "more..." links cover the category tree very well. It is still based around templates for redundancy reasons. You can find the relevant templates much easier than for the current main page, as they're all named as Template:Main2/(...) (If you have the name, you can find the category templates for the current main page). I can try to categorize the main page templates for easier locating if that's what you want. - Combuster 18:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)Reply